Ninth Hell

Riddle Hellp - Level 29

drkn - 2007-04-10, 01:55
: Post subject: Level 29

more clocks, yay.

bna - 2007-09-22, 16:54
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No clues here. I found a clue (maybe 2), but am clueless as to what to do with it. Is it the change in the pattern or the pattern in the change?

Beezqp - 2007-09-22, 16:57
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CHANGE, no change. Maybe this will help

bna - 2007-09-22, 17:00
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I noticed a pattern of change(s), but am not certain what to do with it.
Edit - Oops, missed a character

Beezqp - 2007-09-23, 03:15
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If you've reversed the changes you should got some weird math stuff... unsolvable, so don't even try to solve it. Just send the brackets to hell and... reverse changes again!

Changes that, in general, time made to numbers... Picture gives connotation...

killypumpkin - 2007-09-23, 05:19
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Beezqp when you say "send the brackets to hell" (ha) do you mean BRACKETS...or "other stuff too"

Beezqp - 2007-09-23, 13:01
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I mean standard math procedure to solve any equation. But after that, don't even touch this stuff - just convert!

Reila - 2007-09-23, 19:43
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So after we've simplified the equation, can we drop the remaining math symbols? (I count three remaining).

paFci0 - 2007-09-23, 19:48
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Sure, math symbols are useless after solving equation. Just convert.

DaWorm - 2007-10-09, 00:42
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Converted and got equation. Now, not sure what to do with it. Related to picture? What exactly is picture showing? Clock face, ---, backwards(?), kind of distorted. I know I need to convert my equation once more, just not sure how.

[ Added: 2007-10-08, 15:53 ]
Nevermind. Power of posting. Moderator, please cross out spoiler in my posting above. Thanks.

done... and you can edit your posts yourself

Black Unicorn - 2007-10-27, 00:54
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Hi again

OK I am daft, but this is my first riddle.
I still dont know how to convert the vice versa equation. (The first time)
I find only numbers which lead me nowhere.

Any help?

Tynka - 2007-10-27, 14:02
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not sure where you are...

the right way is: convert --> simplify --> convert --> read

Black Unicorn - 2007-10-27, 14:50
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Tynka

To my disgrace ... :oops:

at the first converting only. I don't get it how.

I think I know how simplifying shall look.
But I don't come to there.

It seems that my brain has turned itself off once again.

Tynka - 2007-10-27, 15:36
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just CHANGE

Black Unicorn - 2007-10-27, 16:50
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ehm...... Iam a little bit confused :roll:

Beezqp wrote:

CHANGE, no change. Maybe this will help

Tynka wrote:

just CHANGE

Are you giving random answers? lol

Tynka - 2007-10-27, 17:10
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i'm sure we were thinking about the same thing

and i don't know how to help more on this step...
maybe PM me what you have tried ?

JaffaCake - 2007-10-28, 00:58
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Will it matter what k--- l--- I have for this? I'm in the UK ...

Tynka - 2007-10-28, 01:39
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move to US

or ask google about k... l...

Black Unicorn - 2007-10-28, 01:59
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LoL

This was the hint which I lacked!
I am from Germany. Therefore I also have a german.

Thanks :mrgreen:

JaffaCake - 2007-10-28, 11:22
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lol, I got it... let the insanity continue!

Knew how I had to 'change' the last part, just didn't have right equipment for first part.

And I think we must have different methods for solving equations in UK as well. Took me some guess work. Meh, what do I know - I barely passed maths in school

arecek - 2007-11-01, 00:01
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Tynka wrote:

not sure where you are...

the right way is: convert --> simplify --> convert --> read

I have first convert and maybe simplify (a+b=ab?) .On second c0nv3rt i should convert one by one or few sign at once?

Beezqp - 2007-11-01, 00:48
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No leet here.

Simplify = "tell the brackets to go out".

Strati - 2007-12-01, 21:49
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Hint Circle - 174°
I) ChanGE ME BACK111
II) nOT ENOUGH>>> MAKE ME SHORTER1
III) nOW CHAnge me back.
IV) Make me shorter... i know you can, just take your time.

legobenj - 2008-05-13, 14:05
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Multiplication?

Tynka - 2008-05-13, 14:34
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should help...

Beezqp - 2008-05-13, 14:40
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But remember - you have just to simplify, not to solve

Elexxior - 2009-03-17, 00:47
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I've done the first convert and the simplifying.. but how do you do the second convert? if i do the same as the first convert it makes no sence... help anyone?

Xanax - 2009-03-17, 01:16
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Details on the picture...

iznotgood - 2009-03-17, 23:44
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...
...
...
...

sorry

but you totally spoiled the first part...

Do make a difference?

DietMoose - 2009-03-18, 00:11
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Take the very first equation, and change it someone. Think out of the circle.

UfnalCrowlake - 2009-05-11, 22:24
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Second conversion - no idea how to do it. "Details on the picture" <- maybe I should put my glasses on...

Beezqp - 2009-05-11, 23:41
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no, you should be more open for suggestions

UfnalCrowlake - 2009-05-14, 10:00
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Suggestions from source or forum?

Beezqp - 2009-05-14, 11:36
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the picture

UfnalCrowlake - 2009-05-14, 17:16
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...the number at which the hand of the clock points? Or the fact that the shadow looks like another hand?

Beezqp - 2009-05-14, 20:17
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the issue of seeing the time

Vardark - 2009-07-09, 18:19
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I really don't understand this.
While the whole forum is talking about math all I can see at the level is a clock and a confusing source.
9#=%)T0=!+_!)))S

Does that mean that like ) has a certain coresponding letter? No word has three of a letter in a row? Why is everyone talking about math when the only number there is nine?

EDIT: Maybe I am supposed to go back in time by changing out the current foldername with an older folder? Tried that and it gave me a page simply saying "No.", the source contains some interesting things, though.

Kmon - 2009-07-09, 19:53
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Vardark wrote:

Does that mean that like ) has a certain coresponding letter? No word has three of a letter in a row? Why is everyone talking about math when the only number there is nine?

Letters aren't used in math (usually), so look for things that are

Vardark - 2009-07-09, 20:25
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Kmon wrote:

Vardark wrote:

Does that mean that like ) has a certain coresponding letter? No word has three of a letter in a row? Why is everyone talking about math when the only number there is nine?

Letters aren't used in math (usually), so look for things that are

Used in math? That means either signs like + - and = which apear in the weird source or numbers that can be found at the clock or in the HTML color codes. I can't see anything special about it, but it should be pretty simple since no one has asked for this part before me...

Beezqp - 2009-07-09, 20:38
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there is a KEYWORD in the source

Vardark - 2009-07-09, 20:44
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Beezqp wrote:

there is a KEYWORD in the source

I have kind of followed that keyword, but it tells me to change to change to change to blah, have tried numerous combinations of changechange and changetochange and changechangechange and changeandchange's with no luck.

Beezqp - 2009-07-09, 21:11
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it's not only about the meaning

Vardark - 2009-07-09, 21:53
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Beezqp wrote:

it's not only about the meaning

I can see that the text is like a pattern, but I can't get anything out of @9#=%)T0=!+_!)))S, and that's what's annoying me the most. No one of the signs has any actual meaning, so I can't get a real word out of it. I have tried to edit the image too, to this point in the game each image has been relevant to solving the level somehow, so I guess it's here too, but its only some numbers on a clock, and the numbers don't seem relevant either. I have tried googeling certain phrases, editing the image filename, editing the folder name, writing in passwords of previous levels, but nothing gives me anything.

Kmon - 2009-07-09, 22:24
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Tynka said what to do in an earlier post:

the right way is: convert --> simplify --> convert --> read

BTW - the pic is more useful in the second conversion

OOPS - Sorry Tynka for using your COLOR

Strati - 2009-07-11, 06:05
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Don't use Ctrl+C Ctrl+V
Type that text down manually, one character a time.

crucifix - 2009-09-02, 21:04
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I found "C&C" hint and I think I've already used it cause I know what @9#=%)T0=!+_!)))S means. Now I've got words with logical meaning but they are not the answer. It was said that I should focus on the picture but I can't see/get anything useful from it. Any hint?

Kmon - 2009-09-02, 22:33
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crucifix wrote:

No way to give another hint without being spoily, I think, so I PMed you

deepakverma2k4 - 2009-09-14, 12:53
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Kmon wrote:

I found "C&C" hint

there is only change hint exist sorry CHANGE hint and a wired text in source
i hav tried many changes on tht but not getting anything meaning full....
i m loosing my patience here

Xanax - 2009-09-14, 13:30
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Think about how to make a CHANGE and then change the weird text.

deepakverma2k4 - 2009-09-15, 10:23
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STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING
DO I HAV TO REVERT ANY OPERATION THT HAS BEEN DONE ON THAT TEXT???

Xanax - 2009-09-15, 12:07
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Yes.

deepakverma2k4 - 2009-09-16, 08:03
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ok i think tht i hav done the conversion right...it ends up with a wired equation
dont no wht to do with tht.......

Xanax - 2009-09-16, 10:51
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Simplify it, but not to much, and then convert. How? The picture gives a clue.

deepakverma2k4 - 2009-09-18, 08:33
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picture is not helping
i m not able to find anything here

ColdBlackPulse - 2009-12-17, 12:55
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I think that I may have fully simplified the source equation, keeping one variable. Can I PM someone for a nudge in the right direction of what to do next? Perhaps I have gone too far. Tynka's flowchart is hard for me to... apply...

Tynka - 2009-12-17, 13:06
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did you notice this?

Beezqp wrote:

Simplify = "tell the brackets to go out".

and you can PM me if you want

Muzozavr - 2010-01-02, 14:39
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This was the point where I took a long long long long long break. Today I've finally solved this level.

For others: the second conversion is not a "REconvert." More like a different way of conversion altogether.

[ Added: 2010-01-02, 14:40 ]
Whoops. Double post here.

GyRIdashai - 2010-01-20, 07:12
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From the source hint ---
I've did what Beezqp said - to send the brackets to hell - and I got 2 variables ---

Did i simplify it too much?
it's ok

but such specific questions ask private, please

VisD - 2010-01-23, 10:36
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Got the equation, simplified it, not sure what to do now - is the answer numbers, a word or what? If it is a word, does it jump out at you the minute you see it? Because I have an idea of what the two variables are in the equation, and also the number without a variable in the equation, but adding/subtracting/doing what the eqn states doesn't help. Some tips? Should I keep trying to tinker/work with the equation, add stuff or what?

edit: nvm got it very clever level

Mongoose - 2010-08-28, 05:55
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I fooled around too much with the simplification part, trying to find out the right level of simplification before I found out a final answer that worked. For the benefit of others, may I add that, for the simplification, you should do only one step?

Phoenix - 2010-10-30, 04:39
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I need some help with the second conversion please. I haven't been able to figure out what needs to be done. I know the picture is supposed to help but all I'm seeing is 9 which tells me nothing.

Beezqp - 2010-10-30, 09:53
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it is obviously not 9

VisD - 2010-10-30, 10:34
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Tips for others:

-Don't oversimplify; there is one point (and one point only) in the level in which you may be tempted to do so to make things mathematically correct...don't. If something is separated from another of its kind, it is so for a reason.

- f(x) = 0

chortle - 2014-01-19, 01:07
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A good level. Thanks for the help getting that last step. An egg would have been helpful to assure I was on the right path, but those seem to be getting rarer. Hard to get into the mind of Beezqp.

kwebbel - 2014-05-17, 15:08
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I'm having trouble with the reconversion. Are the l......s short for something? I see --s in the picture, but they don't correspond with my equation.

bna - 2014-05-17, 17:14
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They are important, so bring them along. Perhaps, if you can sort out the rest, it will become clear what they are doing there.

kwebbel - 2014-05-18, 10:16
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Oh, right. Hah. Got it. Thank you!

emperor_of_dust - 2016-01-28, 02:55
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Oh! I just don't know how to reconvert it.
The image... Should I look at it really close? Or maybe it's something else.
I tried using something similar to first method but it gives me nothing interesting.
Agrh! There are just too many possibilities! I need that push in the right direction.

edit: Oh! Now I get it! Our "uncle" helped me. Image is important. Think wide.

Chezecaek - 2016-01-29, 23:40
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If you have the right numbers, the image implies what you need to do with them. No need to look close, the important element of the picture is very much in plain sight.

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