Ninth Hell

Riddle Hellp - Level 20

Tynka - 2007-03-18, 02:30
: Post subject: Level 20

20... 8-)

drkn - 2007-03-18, 02:47
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<3

now THIS looks more complex...

Strati - 2007-04-15, 01:40
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I'm at part 2 and sure i've decoded all correctly,
i probably just need a "last-step" with these words i've got (i tried some tricks following the word-sequence)
Am i missing a in-level hint to what to do?

Tynka - 2007-04-15, 01:46
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for the last step - no tricks... use the 'kiss' strategy ;-)

Strati - 2007-04-15, 02:38
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Damn, i don't know what strategy you're refferring too :-|
Thanks anyway

Tynka - 2007-04-15, 03:44
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KISS - keep it simple stupid

Strati - 2007-04-15, 20:25
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That's not even a strategy, it's the natural thing to do. And somehow it doesn't work.

Beezqp - 2007-04-15, 21:08
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PM me, what do you have, I'll try to help

davenger - 2007-08-26, 17:31
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Need some help with 20b.

Beezqp - 2007-08-26, 21:16
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Jump between the circles and convert "what_you_actually_have" to "what_the_circle_says".

And don't complicate it too much.

bna - 2007-09-11, 04:03
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For 20b I made the transformations and came up with two related words, but like Strati I am having trouble plugging them into the URL. Perhaps my punctuation is wrong? I tried several ways including listing them as folders, but no joy. Am I trying to keep it too simple? Perhaps, I am not obeying the rules (enough)?

Thank you - how embar :roll:

rassing! - Onward!

Beezqp - 2007-09-11, 16:40
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Little grammar thingy

Arya - 2007-09-14, 23:36
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There is an "unknown rotation"....any clue as to what the ROTation is??

paFci0 - 2007-09-14, 23:53
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There is no ROTation. It's shown at picture what to do. You have sth and you need to change it into sth and into sth. And finally get an answer.

Just make "unknown rotation" a "known rotation". Find good order.

bna - 2007-09-15, 00:49
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Arya - If you know about the unknown rotation, then you solved 20a. 20b is the same idea except there are more steps, and more possible combinations. The right order will rotate around the diagram, but this doesn't really help to solve the problem.

UnclePauly - 2007-09-15, 08:37
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All 7-bit numbers... If these are what I think they are, then it's obvious how to get through two of the circles -- but the last one eludes me...

What is the last transformation? Is there another number system (beyond the first two) involved?

Reila - 2007-09-16, 23:18
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On 20b, I have an answer, but when I try to put it in the url, I keep getting 404 errors. Am I entering it wrong? Do I need to take the punctuation out? I tried to do it in different ways, but no luck.

Beezqp - 2007-09-16, 23:24
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I have written about small grammar thingy...

DaWorm - 2007-09-23, 08:08
: Post subject: Could use a little help...

I am on 20b, translated center numbers into another set of numbers and then finally into set of letters (with two symbols as well). Cant make heads or tails of the letters. Dont even know if I am using the right system. I converted B to D (and H, just for the heck of it) and then converted to A. Hope I didnt say too much. Help?

Beezqp - 2007-09-23, 12:59
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You've used wrong way of conversion... Don't know, how, but it's impossible to get D from B. Try something different, similar but more complex than in part a.

RonsFairLady - 2007-10-05, 01:13
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20B - Converted numbers in middle the way I did for 20A. Entered it into url - no luck. What now?

paFci0 - 2007-10-05, 09:43
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Did you get letters? Word in fact? If so... what about some grammar?
But if you didn'e get word, try another order and types of conversions

pepez - 2007-10-16, 12:50
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okay i'm stuck for days now here...i tried everything, ive read everything twenty times, i also used B to D and even H, and even A...I ! still no luck, i also got the letters and a few symbols, using the last method, but i really cant convert to a word...
desperate looking for help...

Tynka - 2007-10-16, 20:12
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you are on 20b, i suppose...

look at the circles and follow the instruction: ABC, 123, ABC

and... first ABC doesn't look friendly

pepez - 2007-10-16, 20:50
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yeah sorry, 20b i ment...so now i know the order, but after applying A...I how to make this cake

?!?!

Tynka - 2007-10-16, 23:34
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just try

pepez - 2007-10-19, 23:01
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WOW after finally finding the answer, still not in level 21!!!!
again, I tried everything, but can't figure out the little grammar thingy Beezqp was talking about...found the words, is it about the words, or about another word that has to come after it??? I really just don't get it...

davenger - 2007-10-21, 15:05
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It's about another word...Use the right grammar form.

GyRIdashai - 2007-10-22, 13:52
: Post subject: 20a

I dunno how to start...

Tynka - 2007-10-22, 19:12
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look at the picture and read hint from the source

darky - 2007-10-24, 22:05
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I am stuck on 20b. I decoded the 1s and 0s the way I did it in 20a, so I think it has to be right. But now I cant figure out how to make letters out of those numbers. The alphabet doesnt help very much...

Tynka - 2007-10-24, 22:13
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look at the picture... the first circle is ABC, 123 is the second one

darky - 2007-10-24, 22:32
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oh no... it was so difficult to figure out how to calculate "normal" numbers out of all this 010 stuff. how shall i do this with letters? i found a tool to translate b..... codes, but it doesnt help.

Courtney - 2007-10-25, 00:08
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please help. i can't get past the first image. i can't get the binary to convert, i can't convert the sentence in the source to something readable......what do i do? i don't even know where to start?

Tynka - 2007-10-25, 00:37
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darky and Courtney: you should trust to circles...

20a: 123, ABC

20b: ABC, 123, ABC

GyRIdashai - 2007-10-25, 12:11
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Ok i used b***** to decode them but i cant form words or sentences....

Black Unicorn - 2007-10-25, 14:13
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ABC = 123

As I said to you. Use the simplest way.

Courtney - 2007-10-30, 17:47
: Post subject: 20a

help! i'm still stuck on level 20a.

i converted the word circle to numbers and then coverted that using ---, but got nothing.

i have no idea what to do with the other numbers on the page.

i'm completely stuck and have been for over a week now!

Tynka - 2007-10-30, 20:03
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start from 0s and 1s... you know the way

Beezqp - 2007-10-31, 22:41
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Do not trust the circle

Strati - 2007-11-24, 22:13
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Hint Circle - 120°
One is other, and other is one.
Numbers = letters is what must be done.
Find the next and from circle you're gone.

dienow - 2007-12-30, 11:05
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can someone help me with 20b?

try many convertions but still no good results

does the convertion start using the binary numbers in the middle??? or is it just a pattern

EDIT: nvm, KISS was the pure soluti0on :twisted:

GyRIdashai - 2008-01-26, 11:33
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lol but i still cant get it after taking a long break from Ih...

Anyone can helP? PLEASE? Im still stuck on first page.
And can someone Pm me the link too? I remember the URl but only forgot the folder name

Beezqp - 2008-01-26, 13:04
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What you see in the center of the picture? Convert to what picture says & convert to what picture says

GyRIdashai - 2008-01-26, 13:14
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yeah but i still dont get it. Sound so math freaky. I just exhausted myself on Math.

Beezqp - 2008-01-26, 13:34
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No math included, just simple conversions

Sara - 2008-02-03, 21:36
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I also took a long break from IH. And now I'm back and I still don't know how to start in 20b... :roll:

I know ABC, 123, ABC - but I don't know which letters I have to translate in which numbers (there are many possibilities) and then how to translate the numbers --- without getting --- again? And in this context what's the meaning of the numbers in the centre?
I've tried many translations using different starting points and different words but I can't get through... :?:

I'm in hell...

Tynka - 2008-02-03, 21:57
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start from numbers in the centre...

your first result will be ABC

Sara - 2008-02-15, 18:41
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I got it!!! Finally I know what KISS means...

:twisted:

VisD - 2008-04-14, 13:52
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Stuck at (2)0...part one. I've been trying to convert the numbers in the middle using 7-_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (A _ C _ _), but to no avail. I get letters for the first 2 sets of _, but after that I start getting gibberish.
Help?

pennylane - 2008-04-14, 13:59
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Follow the circles. Starting from the code in the middle, do what they say.

You won't get the answer on first try

ps: since answers usually are letters...

legobenj - 2008-04-17, 06:04
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On (2)0. I see B***** numbers (A****), A V*** Diagram, and six letters. Problem is the b numbers aren't full. not sure where to go from here.

On (2)0a by the way.

VisD - 2008-04-17, 12:33
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pennylane wrote:

Starting from the code in the middle,

And herein lies the trouble, because I've tried every variation of b _ _ _ _ _ possible. There are
_ _ digits of b_ _ _ _ _ there, and from there I've not been able to get anything.

pennylane - 2008-04-17, 12:53
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You can't hurry on this level... You can't skip the steps, the matter is figuring out which are them

legobenj - 2008-04-20, 10:56
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I know I'm over complicating, but I just can't get any further.

Tynka - 2008-04-20, 15:42
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There are only 10 types of people in the world:
Those who understand <something> and those who don't...

sonori - 2008-04-20, 22:38
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Circles are evil - there is no denying that.

21 - here I come

legobenj - 2008-04-22, 05:15
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Hehe, sorry. I figured 20a out two minutes after that post, but then lost internet connection. blah.

EDIT

So after B to this to that, what do I do now?

Tynka - 2008-04-22, 17:54
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time for letters and the answer

VisD - 2008-05-03, 13:01
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Oh boy. So after more than 2 weeks of deliberation, a new pic on the level 20A itself (just subtle differences, still no idea what they mean) and many new posts...I still have no idea what to do with the centre portion of the circles. Gyaah.

Beezqp - 2008-05-03, 13:53
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Find another translator

VisD - 2008-05-08, 11:41
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Got it, very nice level, once I got 20A 20B was pretty easy, though the final step was fun. The word manipulating ('little grammar thingy') felt a little unneeded though, but still! On 21.

Devilish! Great one.

SukiJen - 2008-05-31, 02:44
: Post subject: Level 20b

I know I came late in the game... me and my friends are stuck on 20b. I've converted the --- with the -'s then i --- again... then back to ---... i'm coming up with allot of words that don't work at all. Can someone help pleease :mrgreen:

legobenj - 2008-05-31, 03:06
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What Numbers did you come up with when you --- again? PM me about it.

Beezqp - 2008-05-31, 12:03
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There's no such thing like being late in Hell... Everyone come in their best time...

Before the last part - you must have two words obtained from conversions, so do everything to get them.

B_MLKD - 2008-07-26, 05:35
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Alright, so I have read this entire thread four times and am SO TOTALLY lost! I am as far as I need to go...got to the end with the "grammar thingy" but have no idea where to go.....six hours of staring at a little purple line of text.....no where to go, is there anyone out there to help a poor girl????

legobenj - 2008-07-26, 06:58
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Just adjust what you have right now grammatically.

B_MLKD - 2008-07-26, 08:08
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what?

paFci0 - 2008-07-26, 10:52
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English is best language. Grammar sucks. Me not care. Some says english is bad. Me say it's the best. And grammar sucks. Yeah.

ViperScale - 2008-09-02, 05:16
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so there is a way to convert what looks like binary to letters without using numbers... just seems impossible to me maybe i can't KISS =/

legobenj - 2008-09-02, 08:57
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Are you on A? If so, do a little more research on Pizza. It's not Pizza but Spaghetti.

ViperScale - 2008-09-03, 03:14
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I find it kinda funny that people who had a hard time on A seem to get B easy and people who got A easy have trouble on B... any clue? I have tried every possible way to get letters without first converting to some kinda number but can't think of a way. (on B)

legobenj - 2008-09-03, 05:17
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First step is obvious how to change to ---. Then change to --- in the simplest way. After that, be a little creative while you convert back to ---.

If that's spoiling, cross out Tynka's post earlier in the thread. I was just quoting her...

vard - 2008-09-03, 15:35
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not really creative. not creative at all, in fact. your creativity misleads you.

VisD - 2008-09-04, 15:45
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For 20B, the grammar problem:

Try using your keyword in a sentence, or google the word online. It's almost always used with another word. The answer is both of those words, not just your keyword.

ViperScale - 2008-09-27, 22:02
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any hints on 20b i still have no clue how to possibly translate what looks like binary straight into a letter without first converting it to some kind of number.

edit: fixed

vard - 2008-09-27, 22:54
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don't really understand you... you can't convert binary to a number but you can convert binary to a number?.. anyway, the first convertion you have to make is not to a number - ask for help where you always ask for help and you'll be given a tool.

ViperScale - 2008-09-28, 02:57
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... wait maybe i have been getting the first step right all along anyone out there that i can PM what i got from the first conversion of B and tell me if it is right?

legobenj - 2008-09-28, 04:08
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*waves* Pick me! Pick me! lol

vard - 2008-09-28, 18:51
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well, i meant a bit different place to ask for help, but feel free to pm.

darkheart - 2008-10-12, 14:34
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I reached the little grammar thingy thingy..
And still I don't know how to apply them to my words..
What is the needed last step?? o.O

pennylane - 2008-10-12, 14:55
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paFci0 wrote:

English is best language. Grammar sucks. Me not care. Some says english is bad. Me say it's the best. And grammar sucks. Yeah.

Yeah.

If you're already on the very last step, make the best answer. And grammar sucks.

darkheart - 2008-10-12, 15:18
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How will I do that?
Does that mean I must type a sentence?
Or is it written with wrong grammar?

[ Added: 2008-10-12, 22:55 ]
OK, now (I) got it.. Hehe.. Tnx for the hints..
21!!!! @_@

roverorna - 2008-11-15, 22:05
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I'm on 20b, and here's what I did:
0-1's --(...)--> letters and -'s --(...)--> some numbers
but I have no idea what the final conversion should be. Have I took a wrong way?

Tynka - 2008-11-15, 22:21
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right way

the final conversion is easy... don't overthink

hellgrace - 2008-12-06, 16:20
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I'm stuck on 20b

I've got into a page that says:"Look for ***..."
Already tried lots of conversions,I can't seem to find the answer

mtn_biker - 2008-12-20, 00:40
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is the 20a the page (2)0 or really 20a ?

cause I have been stuck on that first image for three days and don't know what to do. I have received hint to convert B***** into something else (which i currently don't know) and I can'T seem to figure it out

Beezqp - 2008-12-20, 02:01
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(2)0 = 20a.

use the simplest conversion available then srp

mtn_biker - 2008-12-24, 23:44
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VisD wrote:

For 20B, the grammar problem:

Try using your keyword in a sentence, or google the word online. It's almost always used with another word. The answer is both of those words, not just your keyword.

thank you

and thanks to beezqp for all the help

now onto 21

touchsky - 2008-12-29, 23:49
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sorry to go over old ground but i'm stuck on 20b. i have some letters and a symbol which appears twice. i have tried to convert this to numbers the only way i know how, and then tried to get back to letters, but haven't got a clue what to do. i have read and re-read all the comments in this thread a dozen times and still nothing.

[ Added: 2008-12-30, 00:02 ]
scratch that. done it!

OlgaZzZ - 2009-01-03, 01:02
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I don't know how to start.. Do i have to do something with the numbers in the middle? I'm totally lost..

Tynka - 2009-01-03, 01:28
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yes, start from numbers

OlgaZzZ - 2009-01-03, 02:16
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and what should i do with the numbers??? :roll:

Beezqp - 2009-01-03, 02:22
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if you don't know - learn more about them.

OlgaZzZ - 2009-01-03, 02:40
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[ Added: 2009-01-03, 03:03 ]
Solved.. now i'm on b

Kmon - 2009-01-26, 22:05
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Cool level

The last part was a little tricky near the end. Found that "little grammar thingy" way out in the WWW somewhere :twisted:

UfnalCrowlake - 2009-01-29, 16:42
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Ok. I've got the first set of letters (+ some non-letters) in 20b and I turned them into numbers in the simpliest way I could think about. Maybe too simple, damn.

What should I do now?

Kmon - 2009-01-29, 17:17
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UfnalCrowlake wrote:

Ok. I've got the first set of letters (+ some non-letters) in 20b and I turned them into numbers in the simpliest way I could think about. Maybe too simple, damn.

What should I do now?

Keep going

UfnalCrowlake - 2009-01-29, 21:54
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Thanks ;P But what to do with them? I mean, if I did ABC->123 in the simpliest way then 123->ABC in the simpliest way will give me the the same thing I started with...

Is there anything else I could do with those numbers apart from the easiest of ways?

Beezqp - 2009-01-29, 22:05
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UfnalCrowlake wrote:

Thanks ;P But what to do with them? I mean, if I did ABC->123 in the simpliest way then 123->ABC in the simpliest way will give me the the same thing I started with...

You are wrong.

UfnalCrowlake - 2009-01-29, 22:17
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Beezqp wrote:

You are wrong.

o.o

When you change letters into numbers using a particular pattern and then --- using the --- pattern, don't you get the --- letters?

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't notice I was spoiling ^^"

Beezqp - 2009-01-29, 22:29
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Think in digits, not in numbers

ruchi - 2009-02-02, 17:00
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Sorry for posting asking again the same that others have asked...
But I just can't find the answer to 20b.
I've tried ---, or more strange things but I can't find anything.
I know that there are 3 conversions, but any hint can be given on that? :roll:

Tynka - 2009-02-02, 18:38
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it's really hard to think up a new hint...

if you want, check your results via PM

iznotgood - 2009-03-05, 17:13
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Meh still stuck on 20b i rly tryed evrything :s

Beezqp - 2009-03-06, 01:25
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you havent tried playing the picture in winamp backwards with increased amplitude .

OlgaZzZ - 2009-03-06, 03:48
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hahahah

mock - 2009-03-15, 13:28
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Beezqp wrote:

you havent tried playing the picture in winamp backwards with increased amplitude .

would that help?

Kmon - 2009-03-15, 16:20
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mock wrote:

Beezqp wrote:

you havent tried playing the picture in winamp backwards with increased amplitude .

would that help?

It would help about as much as asking Mr Loppy :lol:

Marlett - 2009-03-15, 20:24
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i'm on the 20b and i've converted that 12 numbers into 12 letters. still can't make a normal word(s) from them... actually i see an allusion on two words (lately they were frequently used) but they don't seem correct. is it that grammar thingy?

Kmon - 2009-03-17, 14:19
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Marlett wrote:

Probably

Tynka - 2009-03-17, 17:19
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Kmon wrote:

Marlett wrote:

Probably

or maybe not...

this grammar issue is important at the very last step...
how many conversions have you done?

Marlett - 2009-03-18, 17:02
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solved now)

Judgelól - 2009-05-08, 09:24
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I don't get it at all. I have tried different methods, but that leaves me with nothing! Stuck

20a btw.

Xanax - 2009-05-08, 13:36
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Do you know something about beer? If you don't - learn about it and convert. If you do - convert. Circles are telling you the order of conversions and what you should get after one.

Judgelól - 2009-05-08, 14:59
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Thanks, got it

and stuck again hehe. will get it eventually i guess :s. amazing riddle, who made it? beezqp maybe?

Beezqp - 2009-05-08, 23:07
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Judgelól wrote:

beezqp maybe?

beezqp created everything. and everyone. so dont bother askin such questions.

UfnalCrowlake - 2009-05-11, 22:26
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If you created me, you're not half as good as I thought you were.

Beezqp - 2009-05-11, 23:41
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i just like jokes

karake - 2009-05-15, 15:19
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Hello!
I can't manage to get past 20(b). It feels as if I have tried everything but obviously I haven't.

I did -- here the author of this post wrote completely solution to the step he can not pass through --
This gives me a ---

Maybe I can PM someone with the things I've found out so far to see if I'm on the right track?

Thanks

Xanax - 2009-05-15, 15:51
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You are on the right track. You have made all conversions in the way you should and the word you have got is one of those you are looking for. Now just try to make rest of numbers into letters that are spelling something. And don't touch symbols.

karake - 2009-05-15, 16:52
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Thanks for the quick answer.

So it's the last word that's messed up.. I've tried two different ways of translation, one gives ***** which feels like it's correct, but misspelled or grammatically incorrect. If I do the same way as I did to get ***, I just get B****H**. That one doesn't make any sense to me. :p

I'll look over my work again and see if maybe I've gotten the wrong character somewhere. :oops:

*EDIT* Oops my last post was kinda bad.

Beezqp - 2009-05-15, 17:52
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karake wrote:

B****H**

you get something more...

first word, i think, is OK, so your method is OK also. Just mess with the second one, when you see a... "string" - follow it.

karake wrote:

*EDIT* Oops my last post was kinda bad.

don't worry, it's ok. everything that is bad in here is appreciated.

karake - 2009-05-21, 21:46
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Took a while for us to understand the grammar thingy, but now we're done!

-> 21

blueberry02 - 2009-09-02, 23:07
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I'm so tired, hate this level....20a was so nice and easy...but 20b is my enemy

Muzozavr - 2009-09-06, 15:58
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Well, I've done it, but here's a question... are there ANY clues whatsoever about the change in method when you decode the second word?

If no... it's just stupid. The reason I've got it at all was simply because I've already tried everything else.

Nonetheless, 21...

Xanax - 2009-09-06, 18:38
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There are none (as far as I know), but that is what makes this level a great deal of fun (at least for me).

Muzozavr - 2009-09-06, 19:08
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Well, I think there should've been at least some kind of clue, no matter how obscure. Oh well, guess I'll just agree to disagree. Everyone has their own opinions anyway, I just didn't like that step as much as the other levels...

Beezqp - 2009-09-07, 01:09
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i take that as a compliment

Silver107 - 2009-09-08, 03:54
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I cant seem to convert the numbers in the middle of the two circles into anything on 20a. I cant seem to convert them using b_____, and I dont understand 123 ABC. I also dont understand the last part of the source clue. I am very stuck.

Muzozavr - 2009-09-08, 06:34
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There's more than one conversion required...

Silver107 - 2009-09-08, 21:51
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Thats what I dont understand! What do I convert first?

Muzozavr - 2009-09-08, 23:02
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You convert the number in the center through TWO conversions.

20a: 123, then ABC.

hovercroft - 2009-09-12, 08:39
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Stuck on 20b.
i've got something to do with b** something, im guessing the second word should be h******e, but that was just a random guess, and it doesn't seem correct. However, it DOES fit with the first word i guess. help?

Beezqp - 2009-09-12, 10:30
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you guessed the second word wrong

hovercroft - 2009-09-12, 11:39
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Oh, so b** is right? Any help for how to get the second word?

Beezqp - 2009-09-12, 11:43
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at least first letter is right

well, group the letters until they make sense, you know what it's about, no tricks here.

hovercroft - 2009-09-12, 13:16
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damn, now I'm doubting my answer for the 1st word

i should have 12 letters yes?
hmm kinda cryptic. i know what they are?? i shall give it a try for a while, see what happens.
thanks btw

rwp80 - 2009-10-21, 20:45
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I'm stuck on 20b (three purple circles).

I've got the 1s and 0s from the center and coverted that into "ABC", but it gives me ---

I then converted those into "123" just fine... I hope.

I have tried every possible way of converting "123" back into "ABC". Obviously, if I do the previous step backwards I will end up with "---" again, so that can't be the right move.

Previous hints in this thread say the last part is to convert 123 back into ABC "using the simplest way possible" like in 20a, but the outcome is just gibberish

I even tried matching up the "123"s with a Chemistry Periodic Table, but that didn't work either.

What am I missing? What do I need to do to complete the conversion?

Any help (thread post or PM) is appreciated. This puzzle is driving me mad.

Xanax - 2009-10-21, 21:00
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"---" is ok. That means you've done everything right. Do a step backwards to "123" and try to make sense out of those numbers.

rwp80 - 2009-10-21, 21:16
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Xanax wrote:

"---" is ok. That means you've done everything right.

Phew, thanks! At least I know that step was correct now.

Xanax wrote:

Do a step backwards to "123" and try to make sense out of those numbers.

I've done the step 'backwards' to 123 already, but how to get letters from those numbers is what completely eludes me.

Xanax - 2009-10-21, 21:44
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What you should do is kinda similar to distributivity over addition of numbers...

(Is it too spoily?)

rwp80 - 2009-10-21, 22:13
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Kmon, thanks for the PM.

Xanax wrote:

What you should do is kinda similar to distributivity over addition of numbers...

(Is it too spoily?)

Thanks, but did you mean something like this?

If so, I am going to wear a bag as a hat to catch the mess from my exploding head!

Xanax - 2009-10-22, 00:21
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rwp80 wrote:

Thanks, but did you mean something like this?

Well, yeah.

Those equations shows something quite similar to what you should do. At least for me it looks like that.

If that won't help you, think about numbers you have as of digits, and then find a sense.

rwp80 - 2009-10-22, 02:17
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Xanax wrote:

rwp80 wrote:

Thanks, but did you mean something like this?

Well, yeah.

Those equations shows something quite similar to what you should do. At least for me it looks like that.

If that won't help you, think about numbers you have as of digits, and then find a sense.

Okay, sorry but that didnt really help.

Kmon, your PM was a very good clue, but not a spoiler.

Thanks to both of you.

Now I'm left with a phrase --- but it doesnt seem to go into the URL as an answer, even with the --- removed.

I think I'm on the "grammar part" of the problem now. I am literally trying to blindly guess a grammar change. I've tried a few common phrases that are similar to the words I have, but they dont work either.

Tynka - 2009-10-22, 02:25
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rwp80 wrote:

I just recently decided to start playing Inward Hellix again. I got to about level 30 before I got distracted by other games

how did you solve this level before? :lol:

this step is hard to hint...
don't overthink, just keep going

rwp80 - 2009-10-22, 04:08
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Tynka wrote:

rwp80 wrote:

I just recently decided to start playing Inward Hellix again. I got to about level 30 before I got distracted by other games

how did you solve this level before? :lol:

this step is hard to hint...
don't overthink, just keep going

I've done all the conversions. I now have letters that spell words but those words dont solve the puzzle or even lead to a hint page of any kind.

I've basically got the answer, but with some small final grammar step missing, which there is no hint for (other than in this thread).

How I solved these puzzles before? I have a terrible memory, so this time round the game is extra frustrating for me, since I've done these before! :evil:

khamenei - 2009-10-22, 09:33
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Grammar thingy will come to your mind. Then you'll slap your forehead like arrgh. The answer is ok, but not correct to the full extent.

rwp80 - 2009-10-22, 14:18
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khamenei wrote:

Grammar thingy will come to your mind. Then you'll slap your forehead like arrgh. The answer is ok, but not correct to the full extent.

Thanks for everyone who helped me on this one. Got it now.

I messed around with it and the final answer was quite a jump from the converted text.
The hint screen was actually a big help.

The bad thing for this level was actually the grammar thingy. The whole time I felt like I was flogging a dead horst.

21, here I come!

Beezqp - 2009-10-22, 15:34
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blame those who had been jumping to 21 by wildguessing on previous levels

ColdBlackPulse - 2009-12-12, 09:54
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Alright I think that I'm on the right track for 20b... Converted b***** to ABC... tried a couple things to derive 123s again but... I'm sorta stabbing in the dark. If I'm right in approaching it like 20a then what I'm getting seems... unusable.

Tynka - 2009-12-12, 11:55
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last two conversions are hard because they are very easy....
don't overthink, just do the simplest thing... twice

ColdBlackPulse - 2009-12-12, 13:23
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So once I have the ABCs from b*****, I get 2 lines that are, as you mentioned, not ABCs. Any hints on how they should be handled? :shock:

**EDIT**
Thanks for getting me through that mess!

Tynka - 2009-12-12, 13:34
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send me your ABC result, i'll try to help

Endlessflow - 2009-12-12, 15:17
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Hi. This is my first post, and i created account just becouse I am a little bit dissapointed. I got to 20b, and i thought it will be same, or at least similar way to solve it as 20a. But nooo... I've tried every single way, and then in the end, after I lost all my nerves, my friend, who is on level 22, told me that something completely different must be used in order to pass this freakin' level. He knew that becouse he learnt that in freakin' school. But how should I know that this is freakin' a.... code, and not the same as I used before?? After I started to play this game, which is very addictive by the way, I thought that general knowledge and sense for logic will be enough, but 20b proved me wrong. Now I don't know if it's even worth to keep on playin', cuz who knows what awaits me...

Strati - 2009-12-13, 01:23
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RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU FEEL GUILTY.

Now, really - you'll need at least minor aknowledgement of codes and cyphers, like morse code, numerical bases, caesar cipher - nothing you can't find in the internet.

beatrix_kiddo - 2010-01-20, 12:31
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I'm totally lost.

I think I made the first step right, I converted the numbers in the middle into letters and got letters&two symbols. but i can't form a word or a sentence of it.

so i think i have to get umbers out of it again. but how? i tried the easiest way ABC=123 and now i have some numbers- but how do i get letters again??

:evil:

this lvl overcharges me.. i've read this thread a thousand times and still can't find the solution. also some PMs from other users didn't help me- maybe someone has a good hint? PM me if it would be too spoily.

Xanax - 2010-01-20, 13:34
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It seems, that you have done everything right. But better PM me, so I could check numbers you have.

tianar - 2010-06-13, 05:33
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Okay! So I am STUCK on this level. D: I've done all of the conversions and whatnot and I ended up with the two words at the end of 20b. But I cannot get this grammar thing! I've been putting every phrase I can think of with these two words into the URL and I get nothing! If anyone could help me out, It'd be great. Thanks!

Beezqp - 2010-06-13, 10:17
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if you have those two words just figure out the third, following the rule

mattfca - 2010-08-19, 06:22
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Should I wind up somewhere in Salt Lake City? :lol:

EDIT: Never mind, I have no idea how i came up with an IP address... :roll:

On part B... traced a phone number to Dallas Texas :shock:

I have two words, that form part of a common phrase. I've tried every combination of the words and the phrase.

Wow finally, I had to really use brute force to get that one. On to 21!

Mongoose - 2010-08-22, 04:22
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Hey, I'm stuck on 20b, and my uncertainty in my steps so far is preventing me from taking any further... may I pm somebody my results so far (and maybe get a little nudge in the right direction

Strati - 2010-08-22, 05:18
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May you? Take your own decision.

Phoenix - 2010-09-07, 18:14
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Hey I was hoping someone could give me a hint about the grammar thingy. I'm just not getting it.

Mongoose - 2010-09-07, 18:48
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VisD wrote:

For 20B, the grammar problem:

Try using your keyword in a sentence

This is probably the best hint. You'll find you almost always use it a certain way.

Phoenix - 2010-09-07, 18:59
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Got it

SpiralOut420 - 2010-09-30, 06:59
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On 20b. I got letters from the picture, then I can turn that into numbers...I think...Then into letters again....Maybe. Is it possible I got an F from a B?

Tynka - 2010-09-30, 10:15
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F from B? no...
look at your numbers once again

SpiralOut420 - 2010-09-30, 17:27
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Hmmm, then the hexidecimal thing has nothing to do with it? I tried swiching the letters for numbers is the "Simplest" way, but I have no idea what to do with them.. They seem to go nowhere.

[ Added: 2010-10-02, 15:19 ]
Got it...Uncool.

MarMat - 2010-10-04, 14:05
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Hi,

we're kind of stuck here. Passed 20a without any problems whatsoever, but 20b really stumps us. We made an initial conversion to letters (and two special characters) using a___i, which we suppose is correct, judging by some of the postings made in this thread.
But the reconversion to digits and letters still won't get us any meaningful words, let alone a sentence, to which we could apply this grammar-thingy-hint.
The simplest conversion would be 123=ABC and vice versa, as already stated in a few posts. But even if we're thinking in digits instead of numbers, the resulting "words" are just a bunch of letters without sense or structure. Could someone provide us with another hint concerning the right way of converting the intermediate results to actual words instead of gibberish?

Thanks in advance, really appreciate the riddle.

Tynka - 2010-10-04, 15:43
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PM me your letters (first conversion result)
i'll check it

msw0417 - 2010-10-28, 05:23
: Post subject: HELP

So I am stuck on 20(b). I converted the numbers in the center into letters and got 8 letters and 2 of the same symbol. I do not know if I am on the right track but I converted those into numbers but I do not know how to convert those letters into other letters! Please help.

Tynka - 2010-10-28, 09:06
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Beezqp wrote:

Think in digits, not in numbers

bureus - 2013-12-16, 23:47
: Post subject: ...........

Hello i need some help here, I've been stuck on this lvl for several months( if you include the time the game was down). I've passed A now im on B and im lost. I have made one "transfomation" and have some letters and not letters. What now?????

Zaxerian - 2013-12-17, 14:44
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The Venn diagram will tell you the remaining transformations.

Falcarius - 2013-12-17, 17:12
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfzhjlgKVfA

...sorry, I just couldn't resist...

bureus - 2013-12-17, 18:04
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FINALLY of to 21

3luke33 - 2014-01-27, 16:05
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So I got my B** W**** words, but no combination or grammatical changes seem to make it work right (I haven't even gotten a hint screen). A push in the right direction would be helpful.

vard - 2014-01-27, 21:25
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Maybe PM someone with what you've tried?

Alexei403 - 2014-03-22, 06:29
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ugh I feel like I'm SO close and it is very annoying.

also I have no idea how people seem to be pulling a W out of the numbers? Like I just can't make that work at all, but the result fits, and I can do the grammar thing on it, which gets me maybe four phrases I can think of that go nowhere in terms of "guess the URL".

and if I try to do it another way I get one word ("B**") and another which makes nothing ("B***H**"). From that trying different things I can get it down to B**** which using others' posts can somehow magically transform (no seriously how are you people doing that) into W----. I can also turn b into h making H**** which is funny but doesn't help me really.

The words being B** and W**** makes so much sense with everything in here it's killing me I can't get this right.

bna - 2014-03-22, 09:13
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You need the hint Beezqp gave me on page one of this thread:

Beezqp wrote:

I have written about small grammar thingy...

Alexei403 - 2014-03-22, 09:24
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I thought I had applied it already in multiple ways, assuming it's talking about a missing section of the solution.

Even changed one of the words to a more...intense form of itself, just to see. Still nothing.

Will keep thinking on it though, as there's definitely something I'm not seeing here.

EDIT: Got it! Turns out I was making a mountain out of a molehill, haha.

lla26 - 2017-07-07, 06:23
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Currently stuck on 20b.

I think I already have converted the ****** into ABC and then 123, but I'm not sure if they're the correct strings. Can PM anyone my ABC and 123 strings.

Xanax - 2017-07-07, 17:43
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I'm checking forums regularly, so you can send a PM to me.

yaveleth - 2018-12-11, 16:52
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Hi guys. I've been stuck on 20b for a while now and I can't come up with a way to convert the numbers back to letters. I've tried all the ways that came to my mind and got something that looked like words, but they didn't work, and googling them led me only to a page with Bosnian soccer league results, so I guess I was quite wrong. Everything else I got was gibberish.

So I decoded the numbers in the middle to get 10 letters and two symbols, and judging by this thread I did it right, because my string of letters and not letters starts with a B. Then, I tried the easiest way (decimal 123=ABC in two different ways), I tried doing ABC=123 and then the other way around, I calculated stuff and nothing works.

Is there anyone still alive here who'd like to review my progress in a PM?

EDIT@down: PM sent, thanks!

Tynka - 2018-12-11, 18:05
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yaveleth wrote:

Is there anyone still alive here who'd like to review my progress in a PM?

Paoll - 2019-10-21, 00:58
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Sorry, but 20b is blows my mind.
I pass 20a pretty easy, but now i'm stuck.
Don't understand how do 1st step from number in the middle to abc.
I tried so many way, but my result are still bad.

Maybe PM me with some's hint and help?

upd: Oh, wow, i solved first step and get abc (i don't know how i understanded it, i just did it).
I'll try to think further. But some hint for next steps (abc to 123 and next) will not hurt.

upd2: i think i'm on last step, 3th.
I converted that 12 numbers into letters XXX (and something else).
Then i converted XXX to 123 and to abc again.
I see allusion on two words, but they don't seem correct.
I don't understand, this is it that grammar thingy or i have a mistake..

I feel like I'm very close, but can't catch...
Please, PM me with help

upd3: Ooooooooooh, i got page with "grammar thingy."
How i can move on? Don't understand

[ Added: 2019-10-23, 03:03 ]
OMG, got it.
I don't know. Last part is worst part if you search too seriously.

All the hints from this topic have mostly guided me down the wrong path.
After the end, step one and step two were interesting for me, but I'm not sure about the third.

Well, welcome to 21 lvl, let's see what happens next.