Ninth Hell

Riddle Hellp - Level 51

Tynka - 2007-05-09, 04:05
: Post subject: Level 51

last ten ;-)

Beezqp - 2007-05-09, 11:55
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Congratulations

drkn - 2007-05-09, 12:49
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i don't even want to look at it at the moment.

DaWorm - 2007-10-26, 03:46
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What am I supposed to do with the underlines? I know what the numbers signify and what my ultimate goal is, I just dont know what to do with the underlines.

Beezqp - 2007-10-26, 11:54
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Can't tell you straight

Divide them, I mean underlined and not underlined are totally different sets...

Strati - 2007-10-31, 04:09
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Any hint on how to use the wordless HS?
That screen can point to one of the small maze entrances, but if i use the same method from before it just gives me gibberish.

The "result" could as well be a reference to use the untouched letters of my maze...

Even the title meaning remains unknown...

It will probably be something simple and i'm overthinking as ever...

Marven - 2007-10-31, 06:57
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HS is the clue what to do

bna - 2007-10-31, 07:16
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Just do it, do it

Beezqp - 2007-10-31, 22:54
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HS is not a clue. It's a result of misunderstanding.

Strati - 2007-11-02, 18:44
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Your clues are a cause of misunderstanding

Someone is lying. Someone has to be

Tynka - 2007-11-02, 19:21
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how to settle this controversy...

maybe this way: use your result as an ---

sorry, Tynka, that was a bit too helpful

---> ok

but try to find useful and not_too_helpful hint here :roll:

Strati - 2007-12-22, 21:22
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Hint Circle - 306°
What's not right... is not wrong either...
Nothing will just bring you forward...
Once the path is done, the false truth must be revealed...
What seems to relive errors from the past is your only order to the future.

pennylane - 2008-04-20, 15:42
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Had some ideas about right and not-right...Still can't find out how to follow the path (tried a few things, not yet), nor how to make a choice (if I have to choose correctly)

Well, this is the first day, luckily I'll get it till next Sunday...

But I wish there were useful and not-too-helpful hints here

[ Added: 2008-04-22, 21:49 ]
Oh, just gibberish...Please, say if I'm wrong: if what isn't right isn't wrong either, then it's another antonym, ok?

With this (and only) conclusion (wrong, maybe...), I'm trying to find my way through the maze... Nothing

And if I consider the title and disobey the rule, still nothing...
Underlines...No idea for what...

I'm getting dumb... :roll:

Tynka - 2008-04-22, 18:09
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pennylane wrote:

Oh, just gibberish...Please, say if I'm wrong: if what isn't right isn't wrong either, then it's another antonym, ok?

you are right

but... do you know what 2k is?

pennylane - 2008-04-22, 18:13
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No. Only know it's right... And trying to get Strati's hint...If what's not right is not wrong either, then it is something else...

I'm walking in circles, to tell the truth.

Tynka - 2008-04-22, 18:17
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are you good in math?

pennylane - 2008-04-22, 18:21
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Haven't thought about it... But it's too late today, I'll grab this tomorrow...
Goodnight, Tynka, and thanx!!

[ Added: 2008-04-27, 16:24 ]
I wish Beezqp hadn't edited Tynka's post above... I'm in darkness...

Tynka - 2008-04-27, 10:58
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bna wrote:

Just do it, do it

justdoitdoit

... maybe this hint will not be censored :lol:

pennylane - 2008-04-28, 16:07
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Ididn'tdidn't...

Turn on the light! :idea:

SnowMen - 2008-09-10, 20:07
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I died here. Save my soul from succubus and imps... :twisted:

Need a big clue! I've read a whole topic so please don't repeat hints from this thread.

Tynka - 2008-09-10, 21:33
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SnowMen wrote:

I died here.

where?

at the beginning? or with the wordless hs? or...?

SnowMen - 2008-09-10, 21:43
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Hintscreen? :shock:

Never found it :oops:

Tynka - 2008-09-11, 00:54
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ok... don't look for hs

figure out what 2k is, then find your way through the maze

Beezqp - 2008-09-11, 02:54
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most of possibilities deadends quickly

SnowMen - 2008-09-11, 19:50
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It's so dark in hs'ere. Where am I?

I could get lost...

Beezqp - 2008-09-12, 01:49
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you got this wrong

legobenj - 2008-10-22, 09:33
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Tynka wrote:

are you good in math?

Math? It looks more like science or chemistry.

Tynka - 2008-10-22, 09:41
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nothing is what it seems...

legobenj - 2008-10-23, 07:55
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Has reality come back to haunt me?

paFci0 - 2008-10-23, 09:08
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They always return...
I hope you understand what you are supposed to do...

Just go further in your work.

legobenj - 2008-10-23, 09:42
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I think I know the reality then. Now convert to a different reality? But What?

Beezqp - 2008-10-23, 09:57
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but convert what? what have you done so far?

legobenj - 2008-10-23, 10:02
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Beezqp wrote:

what have you done so far?

Um, all I've done is notice that the charcters are (probablly) in reality #--

Beezqp wrote:

but convert what?

Convert the characters of course. Proably the underlined ones.

Tynka - 2008-10-23, 15:01
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reality? in 51?
convert? in 51?
:shock:

think math, but simply...

Beezqp - 2008-10-23, 23:44
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2k is cool

legobenj - 2008-10-24, 03:34
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What do I need to get the HS? :cry:

Beezqp - 2008-10-24, 08:36
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just follow the instruction about 2k

legobenj - 2008-10-27, 03:08
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Tynka wrote:

think math, but simply...

Like algebra? (---) I think I'm getting lost..

Tynka - 2008-10-27, 10:34
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think what is and what is not...

Beezqp - 2008-10-31, 18:36
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Just simple theory - or rather explaination for obvious thing. Combine this with what is right and what's not, yea. Oh, and I forgot, you have to guess the right start point, but that's ok, isn't it.

legobenj - 2008-11-01, 10:33
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Any hint which theory?

Beezqp - 2008-11-01, 12:05
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simple number feature

Strati - 2008-11-01, 20:53
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Any hint to which number feature?

Beezqp - 2008-11-01, 21:52
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it's in the source. 2k.

Strati - 2008-11-01, 22:12
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Damn you, Beezqp.

legobenj - 2008-11-02, 03:23
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SnowMen - 2008-11-02, 17:51
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Just find the numbers like "2k"

legobenj - 2008-11-04, 12:39
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I think I understand the right-wrong concept, but as far as I know, letters are neither right nor wrong, right?

Beezqp - 2008-11-04, 14:03
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wrong. everything.

pennylane - 2008-11-04, 14:40
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Some things are right. It doesn't mean that what's not right is wrong.

Think of another way.

SnowMen - 2008-11-04, 19:07
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pennylane wrote:

Think of another way.

Think of way

ashtraybob - 2008-12-05, 18:45
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I can't even get started on this ... been away from IH for awhile and came back to this a few times now ... still nothing.

I need a clue is to what 2k is all about ... something other than what is in this thread as I've been over it many times. Actually reading the thread the first time was rather comical (or disgustingly cryptic), but now it just makes my head hurt.

Beezqp - 2008-12-05, 21:09
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no one will tell what is 2k. figure it on your own, ask some friends for help, use your illusion II, kill yourself, roast a chicken etc.

ashtraybob - 2008-12-06, 19:08
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Ahhhhh, and of course what I was doing was roasting a friend while under an illusion that my chicken was killed .... twice.

I feel like I've tried 2000 different approaches and never get a useful word. Guess I'll PM some thoughts ...

legobenj - 2008-12-10, 06:48
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None of the paths seem to be spelling anything.

Tynka - 2008-12-10, 08:31
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you know what is right and not-right, don't you?
but... do you know a third way?

legobenj - 2008-12-11, 01:22
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The answer was a blank HS. :cry:

WHAT DO I DO?

Beezqp - 2008-12-11, 01:40
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Look at the "password" in a little different way. This is not supposed to be a password.

legobenj - 2008-12-11, 05:39
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Then how else do I look at it?

paFci0 - 2008-12-11, 07:54
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Books are built from sentences. Sentences are built from words. Words are built from letters.

legobenj - 2008-12-11, 09:33
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Do I use underlined?

Tynka - 2008-12-11, 10:23
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you have the 'password'... just useit

legobenj - 2008-12-11, 10:32
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I've tried to useit, usit,us/it, and use/it. Nothing.

Beezqp - 2008-12-11, 10:51
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just get an instruction and follow

pennylane - 2008-12-11, 12:52
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An order, maybe... Doit!

The Dann - 2008-12-16, 16:55
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DaWorm wrote:

What am I supposed to do with the underlines? I know what the numbers signify and what my ultimate goal is, I just dont know what to do with the underlines.

Please... do not say it is related to chemistry... :cry:

I have no IDEA of what those numbers means... but it reminds me a lot of that Linus Pauling's electron layers in chemistry!!
I F***ING HATE CHEMISTRY!!

Any starting hint??

arecek - 2008-12-16, 17:26
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But i hope you like math?
2 + 2 is right

The Dann - 2008-12-17, 03:37
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I F***ING LOVE MATH!! But if there are some false pairs...
Well, how can I manage to uncover the logic behind all that?

legobenj - 2008-12-17, 05:16
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right, wrong; true, false; neither.

Leviathan - 2009-05-20, 00:34
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Have been playing around with numbers and letters for quite some time now but I can’t see any solution nor a start.
The source code says 2k is right but if I don’t know what is wrong or what else is right then I don’t have any references. So even if I stumble on the solution to the hint I wouldn’t see it since I don’t have anything to compare it to.
All I have are question marks since I can’t even get started on this level.

Beezqp - 2009-05-20, 00:47
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2k is right but there's nothing wrong. The opposite... you can't even imagine how odd it is.

Strati - 2009-05-22, 22:45
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Rofl at the clue. I once used it almost word by word to hint a riddle. (the last part of the clue, to be exact)

Leviathan - 2009-11-28, 22:18
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Hi all

Been away from this "hell" for awhile but before I left I did stumble on to the wordless hs and... ehm... got stuck

co*again*ugh!

I've tried other starting positions using the same method as I used to get to the black hs but not one gives any word or letter combination that works, I've also tried 2 use the underlined together with the "password" but nothing yet

So...ehm... what am I missing

Tynka - 2009-11-28, 22:46
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you have all what you need...
just do it

Leviathan - 2009-11-29, 01:40
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I feel like I'm missing something to my password since ppl keep saying just to "doitdoit" like I should ad something to the word I already have.
But what?

I've tried to ad the letters I skipped but nothing makes sense...

Xanax - 2009-11-29, 01:50
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You have everything you need, so don't add anything. ---

Strati - 2009-11-29, 20:31
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"doit" is kinda misleading, I guess "dothis" catches more the idea behind it.

Vardark - 2010-01-21, 13:02
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Been here for months now, this is the hardest hellix as of yet. The only thing I know is what is not right. It's the opposite of right, right? Don't know what 2k is. It could be 2000, but that's way to logical for IH. What I'm supposed to do with all the numbers and letters is also a mystery. Am I supposed to start at one of the arrows and add all that I pass together? Has all the letters a certain value?

GET ME OUT OF THIS HELL!

Xanax - 2010-01-21, 14:45
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I hope, that you really know what "right" means in here. It's easy to misinterpret this, as "right" has more than one meaning.

2k is a mathematical description of some numbers feature. It will help you to find a way in the maze, when combined with "right/not right" concept. Just remember that

Strati wrote:

Nothing will just bring you forward.

And don't add anything.

Kmon - 2010-01-21, 15:48
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There are two big hints here:

Beezqp wrote:

2k is right but there's nothing wrong. The opposite... you can't even imagine how odd it is.

VisD - 2010-02-12, 20:23
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2k2k2k2k

Do I have to use previous levels?

I have an idea,...does one cell (like "2k") stand for one letter?

Tynka - 2010-02-12, 20:49
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2k is the key to this riddle, so try to understand it...

You don't need previous levels

I know nothing about your idea

but yes... one cell = one letter

GyRIdashai - 2010-02-19, 12:32
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I dont know how to do this without spoiling, so I'll try my best. :oops:

I got to the black HS. Guess I'm having the same problem as many had previously. Doit/Dothis hints to me to look at it from another point of view and i think im supposed to... er...---. I've tried --- etc. None of them lead me anywhere.

HELPPPPP. :cry:

Tynka - 2010-02-19, 13:16
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right track

keep trying

Xanax - 2010-02-19, 13:22
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After "im supposed to... er..." you spoiled a little.

You have a good idea (second one you've mentioned), but you must "doit doit", not just "doit".

GyRIdashai - 2010-02-20, 07:30
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*facepalm* I should have known.... Bah.
Btw Beezqp the basic assumptions of this level is a little flawed. For example, 3g, (3g) isnt always (not 2k), if you know what I mean.

52!
Why does this look familiar O.O

Beezqp - 2010-02-22, 00:27
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You mean what? o_O

GyRIdashai - 2010-02-22, 03:25
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=.=

The fundamental assumptions of this level is wrong....?
How do i put this.
2k doesnt always have an opposite.
The opposite of 2k can sometimes be 2k itself.

Never mind. T.T

Beezqp - 2010-02-22, 10:39
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Anybody understand this guy?

GyRIdashai - 2010-02-22, 13:26
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-.-"
PM-ing you. VisD said I should anyway.

Leviathan - 2010-03-02, 00:10
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I really, really, really, really, reeeeeeeeeeeeeally hate this level.
I go to the page every once in a while but never stay very long because I just get annoyed.
I don't even know what else to say, there are no questions I can ask besides: "what's the answer?" and where is the fun in that

I have read all the posts in here and I just can't get past that blank hs

So not really a post with any question I just had to say that I really really... and so on for a very very VERY long time... really hate this level

And what can I say... the more I hate it, the more I will love to find the right answer.
So I can't stay mad at you forever. Just abit during this level, and maybe future ones

VisD - 2010-03-02, 11:11
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Just...do it.
Write down that word that you have on a scrap of paper, take it everywhere with you. Take it out and stare at it on the bus, while waiting for one, in the toilet, etc. Think of a different way to interpret it, how it could possibly be a next step. Be flexible, and apply.

GyRIdashai - 2010-03-02, 13:40
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Agreed... I bookmarked the page and was looking at it the whole time in school until i reached the facepalm moment :evil:

Treat do it as an action. Then look at the word. How do these two link up together?
If you're still stuck, feel free to PM. It can be a little hard to.... see

Leviathan - 2010-03-02, 21:19
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solved it

and as I said I did love the answer.

usually I overthink and I was on the right track all the time but this time I didn't overthink enough... go figure

on to 52... or is it 52? :shock:

... oh crap... I'm in hell, but then aren't we all?

there much better, as I said on to 52!!!!!! :mrgreen:

maniac - 2010-06-03, 14:59
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Beezqp wrote:

simple number feature

simple number theory perhaps

it's what even a 7-year-old child knows, probably even younger.

littlefish - 2010-07-26, 16:51
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It seems I can't

paFci0 - 2010-07-26, 16:59
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What have you done so far? It'll help us to help you.

maniac - 2010-07-27, 08:27
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paFci0 wrote:

What have you done so far? It'll help us to help you.

also, you may wish to PM if it is too spoily

vard - 2011-02-01, 13:47
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okay... i think i know what 2k is, i know the opposite of right and i divided the numbers into two groups using the 2k feature. now i'm trying to follow the arrows but i get gibberish... should i follow all of them, or just find the right (right as the opposite of wrong in this context

) one? i'm asking because somebody mentioned 'guessing the starting point' earlier in the thread. i think i'm getting there, but i keep getting gibberish.

EDIT: nevermind, i got it. now on to doitdoit (and being late at work).

scjudd - 2013-01-04, 17:15
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Do I need to know any.. erm.. "difficult" math for this one? Once again, I have not even the slightest idea where to begin! All that I know is "2k is right," per the page source.. and that's not exactly turned on any lights for me. :mrgreen:

Beezqp - 2013-01-04, 23:25
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It's zero difficult math. One of the words you used to write that post is THE KEY.

scjudd - 2013-01-25, 15:49
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I think I know which word you're referring to..

I believe I understand 2k's opposition, but I haven't found any way to apply that to the graph yet.. :roll:

Does the word bipartite mean anything?

Also, for nodes like 1e, 3g, 3o, should they become e, g, and o, or something else?

Kmon - 2013-01-25, 19:56
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scjudd wrote:

Does the word bipartite mean anything?

Not to me

scjudd wrote:

Also, for nodes like 1e, 3g, 3o, should they become e, g, and o, or something else?

The numbers and letters don't need to be changed

scjudd - 2013-12-17, 21:43
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What am I supposed to do with the underlines? I've been stuck here for awhile now. I know 2k's opposition. I see a few different ways of grouping things, but do I can't figure out how to walk the graph. Do I need to change how the nodes are connected in any way?

Beezqp - 2013-12-17, 21:57
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One is right and the other is not. And then one is right and the other is not.

Muzozavr - 2013-12-23, 18:03
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You're all so ridiculously cryptic about the first part it's almost funny to an outsider who doesn't yet understand the reasons for such cryptic-ness. I have a hunch on the "simple number feature", but can I use just "2" as the number, or do I need to use "2k" as a number?

Don't know what the underlines mean...

I'm almost positive I know what the source means by "not right", but I'm not understanding something important that would allow me to walk the graph. Tried various ways, but all either dead-end or lead to gibberish, so... yeah, I have no clue how to walk the graph.

Beezqp - 2013-12-23, 18:25
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Some numbers are 2k, some are the opposite. One number can not be determined, so if you are unsure if it's right or not - go for the third option.

Concept of underlines can be left for the second step.

Careful: There is some gibbie on the right track.

Muzozavr - 2013-12-24, 11:44
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Quote:

Careful: There is some gibbie on the right track.

... then how do I distinguish it from the wrong tracks? Do I need to understand "false truth" in order to do that?

Beezqp - 2013-12-24, 11:57
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Most wrong tracks (if not all) end prematurely.

Also, there is no rocket science involved in the strings postprocessing. Only one result will make sense.

Muzozavr - 2013-12-25, 11:22
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.... still not getting this.

What determines that 2k is right? Is it just 2 (in which case 2o is also right) or is it 2k? (in which case 2o may or may not be right)

Beezqp - 2013-12-25, 11:33
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Apparently you still don't get the concept of 2k.

Try again.

Muzozavr - 2013-12-25, 11:41
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PMed you my current thoughts on this level.

Beezqp - 2013-12-25, 12:35
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PMed you back with my current thoughts on your current thoughts.

Muzozavr - 2013-12-25, 16:51
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The "undefined" number is actually not as undefined as you think it is. Still, I had this particular path in my mind for a while, I just forgot about underlines...

So I'm out of 51... but not at 52.

... :evil:

I'm not even bothering to self-censor myself now. What in the mother of fuck.

Anyway, the second step (the one with the wordless HS) is actually really awesome. Really, really awesome.

EDIT: OK, I got to the real 52. Nice.

Beezqp - 2013-12-25, 18:49
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Quote:

The "undefined" number is actually not as undefined as you think it is.

There is HS for that.

Muzozavr - 2013-12-25, 19:23
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Beezqp wrote:

Quote:

The "undefined" number is actually not as undefined as you think it is.

There is HS for that.

I found it... but there doesn't seem to be anything to point out how to get it. Unless, of course, you already know what it refers to.

Beezqp - 2013-12-25, 19:29
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I count on the power of human's doubt.

Muzozavr - 2013-12-25, 19:34
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Beezqp wrote:

I count on the power of human's doubt.

OK then.

Luthorien - 2014-01-05, 23:09
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Got the wordless HS....I think I know what to do, but I can't recognise the right one.....
Is it too much if I ask....--- with granma???

Beezqp - 2014-01-05, 23:29
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not sure what you mean by granma. Like grandma?

Muzozavr - 2014-01-05, 23:55
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Anagramming not required...

Look closely at your "password" and then just doit.

vard - 2014-01-06, 12:59
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There are several things you can doit with. Which seems the most logical?

Luthorien - 2014-01-06, 23:04
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Oh yes!! Thank you for your hint!

Rubix - 2014-04-05, 17:47
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Found one hint screen. Trying to figure out why 2k is right (and what might be not right, or wrong).

VisD - 2014-04-05, 17:55
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don't need to figure out -why- it's right, it just is!

Rubix - 2014-04-05, 18:29
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Yeah, I think I understand what makes it correct :lol:

Unfortunately everything now yields gibberish. Probably need to take into account the other... things.

IMO there are a few cases where it is technically ambiguous (if I am understanding the rule correctly).

VisD - 2014-04-05, 18:44
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if the number of cases is 2, then you're on the 2k track

although - what to do at those cases is something to experiment about

Rubix - 2014-04-05, 18:56
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Found a blank hint screen.

EDIT: Ooo, found something as per the blank hint screen, but apparently I'm not quite there yet.

EDIT: Got a screen "lol, too far..." -- whatever this should have totally worked, lol (although really we COULD go further...)

EDIT: Seeing as I was too far, I pulled myself back a bit and made it to Chapter 5, but was taken ---...

EDIT: Haha, clever. Onto 52. I still think the "lol, too far" screen should have led to the Chapter 5 screen.

paFci0 - 2014-04-06, 09:24
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Rubix wrote:

I still think the "lol, too far" screen should have led to the Chapter 5 screen.

Nah, I suppose that the words need to be meaningful all the time. Whereas it's not the case, you get the "lol, too far".

Rubix - 2014-04-06, 09:26
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True -- makes sense.

Chezecaek - 2015-12-12, 01:38
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Once you have the word that leads to the blank hs, do the other letters in the maze serve a purpose any longer? Does 2k, which is underlined, provide a clue as to what to do with those underlines?

Xanax - 2015-12-14, 20:14
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The maze is over. You have what you need. Now do what it tells you.

Chezecaek - 2015-12-19, 07:49
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So does that mean, that if someone showed me this word--just this word, with the underlines included, I could hypothetically arrive at the answer without ever seeing the level? Or am I misunderstanding that? My intuition points to a few objects in the picture that appear to stand out, according to the word's meaning...

Xanax - 2015-12-19, 12:19
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Yes, having this "word" is enough to proceed. Underlines are irrelevant now.

Chezecaek - 2015-12-19, 19:32
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I...I don't get it. Somebody save me! Send me a PM!

[ Added: 2015-12-24, 00:40 ]
That was clever. 52 is threatening my life again...

candlelight - 2016-06-17, 23:23
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does the correct password to this level include /only/ the letters from 'incorrect password'?
is it a meaningful word/s/?
can 'dothis dothis' be also described in this context as 'do thisdoth is'?

hope at least one of the questions will be answered)

Muzozavr - 2016-06-18, 08:28
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Quote:

does the correct password to this level include /only/ the letters from 'incorrect password'?

If it were a password, it would've been immediately correct.

It's not a password, though. Think of it as of an instruction.

Quote:

can 'dothis dothis' be also described in this context as 'do thisdoth is'?

It's just a forum hint, but no... not really.

candlelight - 2016-06-18, 10:03
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i got that it's an instruction, i was just reading it wrong /don't ask me how)/

52 now)

lla26 - 2017-07-15, 15:24
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Stuck on the very beginning of this level. -____-

I really don't know how to interpret the hint in the source code. All I got is a (useless?) hint screen and it's not even the wordless hint screen you guys are talking about. Any nudge in the right direction?

(Actually, I have heard hints to think 'math' and that each cell = letter. But don't know how to interpret these hints.)

Muzozavr - 2017-07-15, 18:55
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The HS you got isn't strictly useless. It tells you a little about what 2k actually means. Just a very simple number property that means it's "right".

The opposite, however, isn't wrong. As Beeqzp rightfully states, you can't even imagine how odd it is.

Once you figure out what the opposite is and how to use all this, find the longest path through the maze that satisfies these hints and continue on with the rest of the level.

The "wordless HS" is something that happens after you solve the maze and figure out what to do with that solution, so there's no way to get it prematurely.

lla26 - 2017-07-16, 13:52
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Muzozavr wrote:

Sent you a PM about my thoughts about this.

umsyt - 2019-07-02, 13:46
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I understand the opposite of right that's not wrong, but I still don't get the "property".

edit: I went with my intuition and got the blank hs. Wondering if I need to nag a ram.
edit 2: Got it! Is the this the "power of posting"?
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