Ninth Hell

Riddle Hellp - Level 48

Tynka - 2007-04-23, 01:21
: Post subject: Level 48
It's time to change the point of view...
drkn - 2007-04-23, 14:17
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color spree!

but where's the beautiful yellow? :(
Tynka - 2007-04-25, 11:47
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few not-very-promising ideas checked...

hint maybe? ;-)
Beezqp - 2007-04-25, 20:12
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Some arrows in the picture? One seems to be completed...

Yay, the level of many realities.
drkn - 2007-04-28, 02:23
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white and red, polish national colors :-o
Beezqp - 2007-04-28, 11:07
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That was a hint request?
drkn - 2007-04-28, 14:19
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i'm clueless here and i'm taking a short break...
Beezqp - 2007-04-29, 12:51
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The level is clueless because it's very easy - there are no straight hints, you just have to figure out the schema, then - similarly - get all the letters.

If return, let me hear from you.
Tynka - 2007-05-02, 21:22
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it was not so hard...

one number is the most important here... ;)
DaWorm - 2007-10-20, 22:37
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I see two arrows, one begins at the level number and the other begins at the number symbol 3 0 0. Which one is complete? They both sort of look complete-ish.
Tynka - 2007-10-20, 23:01
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this arrow_thing was not very helpful for me... so i'm not sure how to use this hint ;)
i think, colors are more useful :)

but first, you must understand numbers... they all have something in common ;)
DaWorm - 2007-10-21, 04:58
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OK, I think I figured out the numbers and what they have in common. Now how does this relate to the colors?
davenger - 2007-10-21, 07:41
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The arrow from the level number is the complete one. It shows the method of conversion ;)
JaffaCake - 2007-11-24, 21:35
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this level has got me. I'm done. Adios!!!

:-(
Beezqp - 2007-11-24, 23:16
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Do not give up! It's only a number!
Strati - 2007-12-15, 23:30
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Hint Circle - 288°
2c and 2a helps to understand the many realities...
Match the colors and follow the example arrow to get letters.

pepez - 2007-12-17, 22:39
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I really dont have a clue.. i cannot see a connection between the numbers, so i do not know where to start on the colours... first of all, i dont get how to transform [number] into [letter]..
I think it has nothing to do with roman numbers or ---, so that leaves... what?
Tynka - 2007-12-17, 23:01
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right track...

check your ideas once again ;)
maniac - 2007-12-23, 10:48
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Is picture editing program needed again? (This level looks more unpleasant, honestly... :(

EDIT: Is the text in the picture (not the letter) important?
pepez - 2007-12-23, 11:19
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you need something, but not picture editing program,

and yes, text is important
maniac - 2007-12-23, 14:12
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I understand what reality means, but are the numbers in the same reality at the beginning?

Then stuck... :(
Beezqp - 2007-12-23, 14:39
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No.
maniac - 2007-12-24, 17:14
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So they are in different realities, implied by something in the pic?
Beezqp - 2007-12-24, 19:03
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No.

Number itself is not important [that doesn't mean that you can leave them alone]
maniac - 2007-12-25, 11:28
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Oh, so what I've done is:

Seeing there is a relationship between the phrase and numbers.
Knowing what is "reality"
and knowing that the numbers aren't int the same reality.

Then nothing...

(Can you slightly points out what's the next step?)
paFci0 - 2007-12-25, 12:59
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Different realities, but one detail is common.
maniac - 2007-12-25, 13:17
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The (areas of the) realities are all greater than what we're living now, right?
Beezqp - 2007-12-25, 13:30
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No
paFci0 - 2007-12-25, 13:33
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Er... No.
In this case, I suggest you to consider again what "reality" means in this level.
Check arrows once again as well. One of them is complete. When you find out how it works, you'll know what to do with other numbers.
maniac - 2007-12-25, 13:41
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I think it is basically the same, it's not the idea?

and is the single letter the letter we want, or just 1 process of the decoding?

And is the ending of the arrow important (coz' I can see nothing there... :( )

(and the level number is important? So many questions... sorry for that @.@ lol)
paFci0 - 2007-12-25, 13:50
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Rawr. Questions are good. It's just about answers.


1. There is one process of decoding, but it is used for every single letter/number... um, separately.
2. There are two arrows, right? Which arrow you mean?
3. It is.
maniac - 2007-12-25, 13:59
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Is it basically the same, then?

and I mean both arrows...
Beezqp - 2007-12-25, 14:19
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No, it's not the same.
maniac - 2007-12-25, 14:43
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You mean reality is not basically the same?

9Then what is it? :cry:
Beezqp - 2007-12-25, 14:46
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Yes, that's what I mean. ;) Maybe PM me without those metaphors, I will be able to help more :P
maniac - 2007-12-25, 15:08
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PMed you! glad... LOL
pennylane - 2008-04-10, 00:16
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Let's see... Two arrows...
I guess that the one that seems not complete is complete... Do the bright empty yellow means something? And the top left level number? And the two lonely letters???
I think I found something in common about numbers, but unsure about it... And, like Strati said, I saw something about 2A and 2C, after color matching... But that confused me...
Still thinking... Still lost... :/
paFci0 - 2008-04-10, 00:46
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Nothing here is random, lost, or empty.
Find relations. Between numbers, between the rest.

When you make first step on right path, you'll know it's good way. ;)
Tynka - 2008-04-10, 00:54
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pennylane wrote:
I think I found something in common about numbers, but unsure about it...

unsure? so... i think you didn't find something in common yet ;)

pennylane wrote:
And, like Strati said, I saw something about 2A and 2C, after color matching...

'2C and 2A helps to understand the many realities...' yes, but before color matching ;)
pennylane - 2008-04-10, 01:00
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I think I'll restart...Thanx! Glad to have you back, Tynka! :D

[ Added: 2008-04-10, 19:06 ]
Sorry for asking again...
Do I have to learn more math than I know? :P (just trying to save myself from running too far again)
Tynka - 2008-04-10, 13:30
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hi penny :)

you don't need advanced math here...

maybe pm me your ideas, i'll try to save you from overthinking ;)
pennylane - 2008-04-10, 17:53
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Still confused... :/
Gonna try it tomorrow, in my hyperdimension it's almost 1:00am :P
Basically the same situation since last night... Any nudge would be welcome :roll:

Goodnight!
bna - 2008-04-10, 18:17
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@pennylane

One is the method one is the task, both have something in common. Like the rest of this riddle, it requires an alternative perspective. ;) Math is important, but like Tynka said, you don't need advanced math, think more basic.

The confusion is half the fun, no?
pennylane - 2008-04-11, 14:30
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I understand the arrow thing now. But didn't get the real convertion yet...Maybe I messed up the numbers... :(
bna - 2008-04-11, 18:24
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pennylane: Feel free to PM (me or Tynka has offered too). Most people here are helpful. (even Beezqp in his own way) More open clues may spoil the riddle. Perhaps I have said too much already...
dienow - 2008-04-22, 14:03
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Can't seem to get the pattern, can anyone give me a nudge here? don't know how to start
Tynka - 2008-04-22, 18:04
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start from numbers :)

think what the reality can be... ;)
The Dann - 2008-07-29, 17:50
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Tynka wrote:
start from numbers :)

think what the reality can be... ;)

I am trying to realize what reality really means HERE...
...there is something about the level's name??
And I cannot see yet, any relation between the numbers. :(
Tynka - 2008-07-29, 22:38
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you need to understand the meaning of "reality" to find the relation between numbers ;)

the title is not helpful imo, but hs should help...




post no.404
The Dann - 2008-08-07, 00:31
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Tynka wrote:
you need to understand the meaning of "reality" to find the relation between numbers ;)

the title is not helpful imo, but hs should help...




post no.404

Is this the literal meaning of "reality", more like "dimension"??
...or am I on the wrong track (again :P )??
arecek - 2008-08-07, 00:42
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We have our reality and Babylonian have their :)
Falcarius - 2008-08-11, 09:39
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HAH! Made it through level 47 without asking for help!

... and, to pay for it, I've been stuck on 48 for a couple of days with no idea where to begin.
I'm guessing it's not as basic as some earlier number levels, but it might be. EDIT: And it is. Kind of. Power of posting :P
RE-EDIT: Done. Hooray for the power of posting.



The best codes are the ones that outsiders can't crack :P
SnowMen - 2008-08-26, 21:50
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I think I know what reality mean. It's ---, huh?

And now, firstly, I gotta find what numbers have in common? I don't see relation between numbers. Any nudge cmon ;)
paFci0 - 2008-08-26, 22:44
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Try to play with those realities. Maybe you'd find out something funny?
And start from the most obvious number.
Beezqp - 2008-08-27, 00:28
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The first reality and it's effect are already solved
legobenj - 2008-08-27, 10:10
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I think I know what 2A & 2C mean, and I think I've made the color connection, but I don't know what the numbers mean.
Tynka - 2008-08-27, 10:34
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legobenj wrote:
I think I know what 2A & 2C mean

legobenj wrote:
but I don't know what the numbers mean.


to know or not to know... ;)
legobenj - 2008-08-28, 07:06
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Alright, Alright. :roll:

I think "Caught You" might refer to something from the past.
Do I need more words than Caught You to solve this level? I think so if my theory about what the numbers and 2A & 2C is right.
Tynka - 2008-08-28, 09:51
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your theory is wrong, i'm afraid...
legobenj - 2008-08-28, 10:04
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Well I could use some pointing in the right direction. :arrow:
DietMoose - 2009-05-25, 20:31
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Idk if anyone else noticed, or if it was intentional, but if you look back at level 24 it says caught you in the text, and it's also about colors and the connection with numbers.

It was just a little moment of Anagnorisis.
Vardark - 2009-09-19, 13:18
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Another hard level.

Have found a HS that tells about the conversion, but I really don't see how you can get that certain letter out of those two. I see the very obvious color matching, and I also see that in the number line, two and two numbers equal the same number. 36 = 9 and 36 = 9, 53 = 8, 44 = 8, relevant?

pepez wrote:
you need something, but not picture editing program,

So I need some sort of program or additional information? I can't solve the level completely by myself?

arecek wrote:
We have our reality and Babylonian have their :)

Is this hint serious, so that the reality has something to to with something both we and the Babylonians have? They have their own calendar, so do we, their own mathematic system, so do we, their own astronomy, so do we, and they also have their own language, so do we. Have looked at the numbers to see if they maybe has something with specific dates to do, but didn't find anything.

One last thing: I can see the 2A and 2C thing, and it kind of looks like since those two numbers are the first and the last numbers in "you", then the black 48 is 48b, because it's like ABC. 2A, 48B, 2C.
Tynka - 2009-09-19, 14:59
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Vardark wrote:
36 = 9 and 36 = 9, 53 = 8, 44 = 8, relevant?

not important...

Vardark wrote:
I can't solve the level completely by myself?

yes or not... it depends ;) some riddle tools are helpful


Vardark wrote:
arecek wrote:
We have our reality and Babylonian have their :)

Is this hint serious, so that the reality has something to to with something both we and the Babylonians have? They have their own calendar, so do we, their own mathematic system, so do we, their own astronomy, so do we, and they also have their own language, so do we.

right, their reality was different ;)

Vardark wrote:
One last thing: I can see the 2A and 2C thing, and it kind of looks like since those two numbers are the first and the last numbers in "you", then the black 48 is 48b, because it's like ABC. 2A, 48B, 2C.

wrong track...
2A and 2C helps to understand the many realities ;)
Vardark - 2009-11-22, 12:34
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Okay, I'm back, and this riddle is still unsolvable.

Have tried to start at the beginning this time, trying to find out what reality means. The A and the C seem important, so I combined them into AC, which according to Wikipedia is short for Ante Christum Natum, in other words before Christ. I followed the track and checked out the numbers as specific years before Christ, but it stopped there. Didn't find anything they had in common. I need help.

One thing I really need to know is; can I solve this with what I know from before, or do I need Wikipedia/Google/Riddle tool/whatever?
Xanax - 2009-11-22, 13:30
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What you've done so far is not correct.
Things that are important here:
- numbers on the picture (duh...)
- one of the arrows
- colors
- A and C, which can give you a clue about this "dimension" thing
Search for HS, it explains a lot (although arrow can give the same information).
Vardark - 2009-11-22, 13:56
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Xanax wrote:
What you've done so far is not correct.
Things that are important here:
- numbers on the picture (duh...)
- one of the arrows
- colors
- A and C, which can give you a clue about this "dimension" thing
Search for HS, it explains a lot (although arrow can give the same information).

I have already found the hint screen a long time ago, and I knew what it told me about even before I found it. I see the logic behind all the numbers corresponding to each of the letters, and the arrow making A + B = C. What I don't get is the thing with realities and what the numbers have in common.
Tynka - 2009-11-22, 14:10
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do you really understand the hint screen?
try to figure out why/when something + something = something
Vardark - 2009-11-22, 17:21
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Tynka wrote:
do you really understand the hint screen?
try to figure out why/when something + something = something

The first something would need to equal a certain number/letter to become the answer, but to find a logical process that I can use on the other numbers and their letters as well and getting the solution is impossible. It seems that I need to understand the reality thing before I can start on that part of the riddle.

The A and the C are the only hint I have, but they don't tell me much. This one guy mentioned how the Babylonians had their reality while we had our, so I guess it has nothing to do with algebra. It is more likely something that has something to do with culture of some sort, like language. I have checked out --- of different types, and it turns out that the Babylonians had their own ---. From there, I find nothing.

Had no luck finding out what those numbers have in common, either. Was so sure that it had something to to with specific years, but since it isn't, I suspect it has something to do with more mathematical things. The numbers are not a part of one single multiplication table, they are both odd and even, and googeling them all does not give results. I'm stuck at that part too.
Tynka - 2009-11-22, 20:40
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it is not A and C but 2A and 2C

try to understand the hint screen... it is really helpful
Xanax - 2009-11-22, 20:50
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This level is pure mathematics. If hint screen gives you nothing, then try to find the relationship between the numbers. Maybe that way will be easier for you.
VisD - 2010-02-03, 16:25
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It seems like I'm paying the price for rushing through 43-47, because now I have no idea what to do...the one example 4*>*Y>* doesn't ring any bells (except a previous level but that's apparently irrelevant) and I can't find the hintscreen. Apparently the different 'realities' are simply different...n***** *y***s but there are so many to choose from and there isn't any apparent clue as to which *y**** to use if this idea is correct. Can't even figure out what 2A and 2C mean. Help please!
Tynka - 2010-02-03, 17:35
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you are on the right track... but remember: it is a level of many realities ;)

one number is very important, and it is quite easy to figure out which one

to find the hs: try a few things in url ;)
VisD - 2010-02-06, 19:40
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Finally, finally, finally got this level. Thanks to everyone whom I've bugged for help over PMs, the help was really needed...confusing as hell level.


And 49 doesn't look nice either :shock:
GyRIdashai - 2010-02-09, 11:10
: Post subject: 48
Stuck without knowing what to do at all. 2A 2C sounds like hex - is this relevant at all? T.T
Beezqp - 2010-02-09, 11:30
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no way dude
GyRIdashai - 2010-02-09, 11:37
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replied to your reply :lol:
*sigh* looks like it'll be a while before i progress then. *leaves to grab a whole stash of coffee*
Strati - 2010-02-11, 03:54
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Wtf Beezqp?
Of course the 2A 2C resembling hexadecimal is important.
A bit of observation and all the doors soon will open (If you solved a certain level entirely aware of what was being done).
GyRIdashai - 2010-02-11, 09:30
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Beezqp wrote:
no way dude

Strati wrote:
Wtf Beezqp?
Of course the 2A 2C resembling hexadecimal is important.


the heck?! T.T
I've a hunch i understand what realities mean.. does the Maya have anything to do with this "reality"?
Beezqp - 2010-02-11, 12:45
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i hoped he'd been up for irony
VisD - 2010-02-12, 00:48
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Lol.



For the future stuck: think of this level of 2 parts, one about numbers and one about letters. If you try thinking of them as the same part it's tougher and you're more likely to confuse things.
vard - 2010-10-14, 11:25
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Can you see the thing the numbers have in common just by looking at them, or do I have to convert them somehow before?
Beezqp - 2010-10-14, 12:08
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Can't see it just by looking
Muzozavr - 2012-12-26, 11:58
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Finally I got this!!

Man this was tough. One of the reasons is that Purple Hell doesn't exist anymore, so the best "tool" for the job is hard to find. Checking your ideas one by one when even the right idea looks like gibberish at first is demoralizing.

So, two hints:

1. Find HS, figure out why is it true. Figure out how the conversion works.
2. Don't panic when you see gibberish. If everything fits together, if you think you know exactly how to solve the level... you probably do.
Mongoose - 2013-12-23, 20:12
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Just to see if I understand the hint screen and what I think is the one complete arrow, is it correct to say that we already have the first letter of the answer?
Beezqp - 2013-12-23, 20:21
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Quote:
is it correct to say that we already have the first letter of the answer

:lol:
Kind of.
Mongoose - 2013-12-23, 20:44
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That response devastated my morale! :P In that case, I'm not sure where to start. I hear the numbers all have something in common, but I have yet to find anything.
Muzozavr - 2013-12-23, 22:32
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Mongoose wrote:
That response devastated my morale! :P In that case, I'm not sure where to start. I hear the numbers all have something in common, but I have yet to find anything.

Start from the beginning. I literally mean that, start by trying to understand the first conversion as seen on HS. What do you know about the first number (in the conversion) that you don't know about any others at this point?
Mongoose - 2013-12-23, 23:01
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Muzozavr wrote:
Start from the beginning. I literally mean that, start by trying to understand the first conversion as seen on HS. What do you know about the first number (in the conversion) that you don't know about any others at this point?


Ok, well, I think I know that that first number is in our usual reality. I'm not certain about what realities are; I have a hunch, but then I'm not sure how to tell what reality each number is in... And if that first conversion isn't giving the final answer, I'm not sure how I'll know I've got it right.

Edit: Ah.... I think I am on to it now...
Muzozavr - 2013-12-23, 23:26
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Your hunch is correct.

Try to figure out the method behind the first conversion and why we need to know that little fact about the first number.

Can you figure out how to "extrapolate" the method to all other conversions?

Quote:
but then I'm not sure how to tell what reality each number is in...

Assume that this level has a solution. Literally, use that assumption as part of your thinking. There's a certain piece of data, a certain relation between all the numbers on the picture, that you "technically" don't know, but that must be a particular way, because otherwise this level wouldn't be solvable.
Mongoose - 2013-12-23, 23:50
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Thanks for your advice! Very cool level, and not so hard after all, if you trust your instincts... something people have advised multiple times, but which I often have trouble doing while my mind is churning out convoluted theories.

Muzozavr wrote:
Assume that this level has a solution. Literally, use that assumption as part of your thinking. There's a certain piece of data, a certain relation between all the numbers on the picture, that you "technically" don't know, but that must be a particular way, because otherwise this level wouldn't be solvable.


This helps; not just for this level, but in general. As does the power of posting, and a little bit of affirmation. Also: sometimes, what you believe to be the solution (and just out of reach) is actually part of the data (and intuitive).
Beezqp - 2013-12-24, 10:02
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Now you know why I loled at your question.
Mongoose - 2013-12-24, 16:46
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Beezqp wrote:
Now you know why I loled at your question.


Yep :lol: Turned out that question wasn't as straightforward to answer as it seemed. :P
vard - 2014-01-04, 19:21
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ah, it's so frustrating, getting stuck on a level i solved before a few years ago... anyway, i'm pretty sure i have the right method, know how to get M out of C, know what realities are, know what the numbers have in common... and what I'm getting is a set of random letters, out of which I can't create anything, even with the help of an anagrammer. Is there one more step after working out what I did, or am I simply making some stupid mistake (or is my method completely wrong? i seriously doubt that, it all makes too much sense)?
Strati - 2014-01-04, 19:28
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I think it might be a little mistake. You seem to know all you should. The letters will look random at first, but there's no need to anagram them.

I'm also solving levels again and just went through this one again. If you want to talk to sort out things, feel free to PM me while the level mechanics are still fresh in my head ;)
Luthorien - 2014-01-05, 17:25
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I think I'll be stuck here with you Vard for some time lol

Should I know the peculiarity of the numbers just knowing them? Or I need some researches?
vard - 2014-01-05, 17:29
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I'm not stuck here anymore and willing to help. :) You won't see the relationship between the numbers just by looking at them. The word "reality" was used in some previous level(s). What did it refer to then?
Tynka - 2014-01-05, 17:36
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Luthorien wrote:
Should I know the peculiarity of the numbers just knowing them? Or I need some researches?

to narrow your searching - you can use your own Red Luth site :D
Luthorien - 2014-01-05, 17:58
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Veeeery nice level!!

Thank you both for the hints :mrgreen:
Rubix - 2014-04-03, 07:26
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Yay, made it! :happy:

Staring at this level for a few minutes and drawing blanks, though. Time for bed!
Beezqp - 2014-04-03, 07:44
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Somebody stop this guy
Rubix - 2014-04-03, 07:47
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I think I understand the general theme behind this riddle (i.e. I think I know what "reality" means). I also found a hint screen although the picture technically shows the same thing.

I'll save this one for tomorrow morning -- must force myself to sleep now.

EDIT: Figured out one way for the numbers to make sense, but when I integrate letters, it becomes nonsense.

EDIT: Hahaha, turns out it wasn't nonsense. I just had to keep going. If you've got a system that works, trust it! Solved.
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Rothill - 2023-07-04, 14:35
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Is anybody listening...?
I'm stuck on this riddle for months, maybe even a year now.
I have found hs pretty quick, but it does not show me anything more than the riddle itself.
I don't see how 48 is transforming c into m (and later in the riddle it also has to transform O into something) and staring at this level for any longer will most certainly drive me into madness.
Somebody has written that it's not so hard, it doesn't require any high-mathematical skills, but then somebody else mentioned different numerical systems and those are supposedly the different realities (so for me it's not an easy level if I have to use anything but basic level knowledge).
I have no clue how to even start, I feel like I'm hitting wall over and over again for so long...
sumludus - 2024-01-14, 05:40
:
Rothill wrote:
Is anybody listening...?
I'm stuck on this riddle for months, maybe even a year now.
I have found hs pretty quick, but it does not show me anything more than the riddle itself.
I don't see how 48 is transforming c into m (and later in the riddle it also has to transform O into something) and staring at this level for any longer will most certainly drive me into madness.
Somebody has written that it's not so hard, it doesn't require any high-mathematical skills, but then somebody else mentioned different numerical systems and those are supposedly the different realities (so for me it's not an easy level if I have to use anything but basic level knowledge).
I have no clue how to even start, I feel like I'm hitting wall over and over again for so long...


I'm only on level 41, but you are not alone here. Maybe I'll make it up to you and we can struggle on it together.